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Here’s The Scoop…2/24/09…LBTS Commission Meeting # 5…VFD…Working Fire Version # 3/Follow That Ambulance Or Not…

WHERE YOU LEAD I WILL FOLLOW…..

LA County Fire Department and AMR Ambulance by Navymailman.
Fire-Rescue Station 35
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Will they or won’t they?…

The discussion still front and center within the departments and on the minds of the residents is …should the VFD follow AMR on medical calls?…

We were told…despite being asked to erase these memories that the real beauty of AMR was the fact it offered us a service that would eliminate the need for a firetruck to follow the ambulance on medical calls…due to the extra EMS personnel contained within the EMS vehicle …that was lacking with BSO….a point driven home….pun intended …from the get-go by the “2-Hats”…

Now 5 months in…we are still at the mercy of “training”excuses…and AMR deflating scenarios such as a “bee sting” that could escalate into a need for the VFD to be on scene?…HUH?…

The Chief informed Comm. Dodd that there had been a meeting that day (2/24/09) with AMR and they were discussing the possibility of forgoing “other medical” calls…which I guess would be headaches…sprains and bee stings?…

The Chief made an about face from his initial response to Comm Dodd …for he started out by saying as Chief he wanted to do all 911 call ….(they do not do overnight or BSO Police)…but wanted to leave it to the Commission to decide…Comm. Dodd told the Chief that was not up him (Dodd) to decide……But there were categories followed by other fire departments to decide which calls should be calls for VFD to go on and which calls required no assistance…This is where the Chief  backed down from his “all 911” calls response desire to his “we’re in the decision making process now” statement……

Later on in the Vice Mayor’s “spin” he brought the VFD Fire Inspector to the podium  to use the comparison of Fort Lauderdale and Pompano Beach…with their fire/ ambulance response and ours…Trouble is…it’s apples and bananas…..These neighboring towns use the BSO model of response…the one we were told by VFD/Commissioners  McIntee and Silverstone we would forgo with AMR coming to town…OOPS!…

Wow…another “whopper”…..came from the dais and the podium…I knew people were adept at telling certain sounds from others…bird watchers…musicians with perfect pitch……but sirens?…Who knew…that the VFD can tell the difference in sirens between Pompano Beach…Fort Lauderdale and ours?…I see a talent contest in their future….now that the calendar idea has gone bust!…

This was asserted during the VM’s statement that the town was being called “a ghetto” from all the sirens going off daily in our little seaside village……Once again…he got the statement wrong!…Beware of the “Cliff Notes”…VM…read it for yourself…

Will they take a giant step back?…Will they stop suffocating the AMR in the eyes of the residents…It’s all up to the Deputy Chief…and his need to “play”….” Vigilante’s Fun Day”…

Next up….from Commissioner Dodd…the “working fire” at 1965 N. Ocean …having received the Incident Report at the last Commission meeting Dodd had informed the Chief he would be discussing it at the next meeting…

Pick a version….We have 3…Press Release 2/2/09….Incident Report 2/3/09…Chif at the podium 2/24/09…(#1 & 2 previous posts VFD category…LBTS agenda/meetings categories)…

Version 1- The Press Release- 2/2/09…..

The first unit on scene was Deputy Chief Jerry McIntee in command vehicle 212. The Deputy Chief arrived on location at 11:52 am one minute after the alarm was transmitted. Upon arrival the Deputy Chief observed  a smoke condition and advised fire dispatch of a working fire. The Deputy advised the incoming units to be prepared for a working fire and he then went into the structure to search for any victims and the fire source. It was determined that the fire had engulfed the kitchen of apartment 302 on the 3rd floor. Fire was rolling in the kitchen of this unit when first observed. The Deputy advised Chief Perkins via radio of the condition and involvement of the fire in the structure, this allowed Chief Perkins to set up the incoming units for the attack on this fire to suppress the event. While the incoming units were hooking up to the standpipes and laying the lines to control this fire, Deputy Chief McIntee made an aggressive attack on the fire with an interior hose line. This held the further spread of the fire temporarily and when all were committed to the fire they were successful in stopping the spread of the fire in this unit.

Version 2- The Incident Report-2/3/09….

Arson- Entry Method 14- window forced or broken

NOTE: C212- is McIntee

‘Narratives: CAD Incident #FLS090202000108 BUSN….ROTAILLE CONDO ASSOC…3RD FLR..HALLWAY…SMOKE SENSOR…1157 HRS C212 KNOCKED DOWN W/HOUSE LINE 3RD FLOOR SMOKE EJECTOR Norm Attach Dt: 09/02/09 Tm: 12:01Console 29 Oper:Johnson, Janice C subject: NOW RECEIVING 4TH FLR HALLWAY SENSOR 1201 HRS PER C212 3 STORY CBS 1 LINE STRETCHED OPERATING 1 LINE AS BACK U 954 943 3172 Child Inc L13090202000030  UPDATE Prior to 51153 C212 ACV 4/s CBS NO FIRE OR SMOKE SHOWING…AUD ALM SOUND 1155 C212 ADV NOW SHOWING SMOKE & GOING IN…& REQ TAC. ASSIGNED TAC A

‘At 1151 hours on Monday February 2,2009 we were dispatched to a building fire. Six units were assigned to this incident.Thirteen personnel responded. We arrived on scene at 1153 hours and cleared at 1313 hours. The incident occurred at 1965 S Ocean Blvd.LBTS in District 12B. Th local station is 12. The general description of this property is multifamily dwelling. The primary task(s) performed at the scene by responding personnel was extinguishment. No mutual/automatic aid was given or received.

The involved structure is described as an enclosed building. The building was occupied and operating. “Cooking area, kitchen”best describes the primary use of the room or space where the fire originated. This building has four stories above ground. The fire occurred on the third floor. The fire was confined to the object of origin. The cause of ignition was unintentional. The material first ignited was “plastic”. “Heat source too close to combustibles” contributed to the ignition of the fire.

NOTE: Standpipe was unaccessible to FD due to landscape overgrown, no knox box found. For information,photographs and cost damages concerning incident see fire origin and cost report.

Version 3- The Chief at the Podium- 2/24/09…

Chief Perkins-” Mr McIntee was first because he was 2 minutes ah, a minute away from his home. He got on scene and found out where the fire was. He didn’t see any smoke from the outside when he arrived and he said that to dispatch but what he, someone I guess was screaming their was flames coming out of an apartment and he went in and found the fire, Um as the apparatuses were coming he radioed and told us what to do, hook up the standpipe. I hooked up the standpipe and we had it ready to go. And he fought the fire. He broke through the window from the outside. We didn’t fight the fire from the inside. We were outside. Okay? On a breezeway and we had to break the window to the kitchen because as you looked in the kitchen you see the fire rolling , it was pretty high and it was rolling. He broke the window and took the hose from inside the hallway ran it to the window and put the fire out with the hose through the window on the outside.”

BC- In the Incident Report situations stand out……quite differently from Version 1 and Version 3…..(differences between the press release & Incident Report previously posted VFD category)….

In the Incident Report the broken window…the Chief said from the podium McIntee broke to use the hose from the hallway to put out….”On a breezeway and we had to break the window to the kitchen because as you looked in the kitchen you see the fire rolling , it was pretty high and it was rolling. He broke the window and took the hose from inside the hallway ran it to the window and put the fire out with the hose through the window on the outside.”……..was only in the Arson section…

Incident Report-‘Arson- Entry Method 14- window forced or broken’…no mention in the narrative….

In the Incident Report the standpipe that the Chief  said at the podium he was hooking up…”I hooked up the standpipe and we had it ready to go”

Incident Report-‘NOTE: Standpipe was unaccessible to FD due to landscape overgrown, no knox box found. For information,photographs and cost damages concerning incident see fire origin and cost report.’

In the Incident Report the response times of the apparatuses…that the Chief said McIntee radioed instructions to while they were coming … “Um as the apparatuses were coming he radioed and told us what to do hook up the standpipe.”……..E212 arrived either 1 second before or at the same time as the Deputy Chief….

Incident Report-APPARATUS-E212

Apparatus I.D.-E212/Response Time 0:02:20/Apparatus Dispatch Date & Time 11:51:18 Mon. Feb 2,2009/En Route to scene date & time-11:51:18/Apparatus arrival date & time-11:53:38/apparatus priority response-yes/number of people-3/apparatus use-1/apparatus action taken 1-11- Extinguish/apparatus type-11-engine/personnel 1-585-Chavez,Daniel (cert.FF2)-position FF/Personnel 2- 123-Johnson,Kenneth (12/10/08 roster-trainee)-position DE(driver-engineer)/Personnel 3- 078- Louvaris,John (cert.FF1)-position-BC(Battalion Chief)

BC- NOTE….E-212 arrival time 11:53:38…arrived on scene 1 second BEFORE Deputy Chief…..3 Personnel…1 was a trainee…(trainees not allowed inside fire scene)…problematic for 2 in/2 out?…

APPARATUS-C212 (Deputy Chief McIntee)

response time-0:01:16/En route to scene date & time-11:52:23 Mon. Feb.2,2009/Apparatus arrival date & time-11:53:39/apparatus clear date & time-13:10:30/apparatus priority response -yes/number of people-1/apparatus use-1/apparatus type-92-Chief Officer car/Personnel-1-o58- McIntee,Jerry-(cert.FF1)position FF

BC-NOTE…arrival time-11:53:39..1 second AFTER E212….

APPARATUS- M12…(AMR)…

Response time-0:02:45/apparatus dispatch date & time- 11:51:36 Mon. Feb.2,2009/En route scene date & time-11:52:16/apparatus arrival date & time-11:55:01/apparatus clear date & time- 12:54:35/apparatus priority response-yes/apparatus use-1/apparatus type-72-rescue unit

APPARATUS-SQ12

Response time-0:03:28/ apparatus dispatch time date & time-11:59:04 Mon. Feb 2,2009/ En route to scene date & time-11:59:06/ apparatus date & time-12:02:34/ apparatus clear date & time-12:54:30/ apparatus priority response-yes/ number of people-4/ apparatus use-1/apparatus type-12-truck or aerial/personnel-110-Chase, Gordon (12/10/08-trainee) position FF/Personnel 2- 054-Hopping, Judson-cert. FF2-position CP(Captain)/Personnel 3- Padden, Kevin-cert. FF 2-position CP (Captain)/ Personnel 4-Smythe,Doug-cert.FF1- position DE (driver engineer)

APPARATUS-E12

Response time-0:02:02/apparatus dispatch date & time- 11:51:37/En route to scene date & time-12:07:13/apparatus arrival date & time-12:09:15/apparatus clear date & time-12:54:26/apparatus priority response-yes/ number of people-4/apparatus use-1/apparatus type-11-engine/Personnel 1-124-Louvaris II, John(trainee-12/10/08)-position-FF/Personnel 2-Maddock,Christopher-cert. FF-position-LT(lieutenant)/Personnel 3-105-Sanchez, Juan- cert. FF2-position FF/personnel 4-025,Silverstone,James-cert.-FF1-position DE (driver engineer)

APPARATUS -C12 …(Chief Perkins)

Response time 1:00:07/En Route to scene date & time-11:54:58 Mon. Feb 2,2009/ apparatus arrival date & time-12:55:05/ apparatus clear date & time-13:13:44/ apparatus priority response-yes/number of people -1/apparatus use-1/ apparatus type 91-mobile command post/Personnel 1-081-Perkins, Robert- cert. FF1- position C (Chief)

BC- It is my understanding that several Incident Reports should have been made by each apparatus, and the discriptions made by the Chief in the press release and at the podium of how the fire was put out…how many men were used etc….should have been included…Why it wasn’t remains the question….

Commissioner Dodd made it clear the reason behind his questioning the Chief about McIntee going in on his own was concern that such action could jeopardise furture mutual aid from other municipalities…

The Chief replied that all the rules were obeyed…

When it came time the following day for Commissioner comments…the Vice Mayor/Deputy Chief said…”Ah, the VFD got a request for a volume of information from Commissioner Dodd. They spent 37 hours by our computations researching everything and he was supposed to ask the questions yesterday. So they did a great deal of research, spent a lot of money, assets to do the research, provide the paperwork and then it just didn’t seem to go anywhere. I mean that’s, that’s not fair. I think  if Commissioner Dodd walks over to see Chief Perkins he’ll give him anything he wants and show him anything he wants.”

BC- The “research” Commissioner Dodd requested was answered by the Chief  at the podium……The Commissioner  had also  requested  the Dispatch reports from Oct. to the present which was just a matter of printing it out…(it was not all turned over)…..so if you follow the Vice Mayor’s suggestion …which Commissioner Dodd already acted on……what would be the difference in the time used…whether in person or by e-mail?…And really 37 hours was required in research……and a lot of money was spent?……That would be an interesting accounting to see….seems highly suspect for information that should have been readily available….accessible…and just common knowledge for the Chief to supply the answers to…

The more intersesting question brought to this writer’s attention by a faithful reader…….Was the Deputy Chief/Vice Mayor involved with the research….and if so would that constitute a violation of Sunshine…since it was questions coming from the dais from a fellow Commissioner?….Hmmm….

Now to see if the VFD decides to back away from AMR assistance on “other calls”….as of yesterday…it seems …it was “lip service” at the podium…with the 1st hand view last night of the Deputy Chief “flying up” A1A…turning onto Pine Ave….entering Bougainvilla…to meet the AMR ambulances at the corner of Bougainvilla for a heart attack…ARGHHHHH……..

more to come….

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